From: | Donal Nolan <donal.nolan@law.ox.ac.uk> |
To: | Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk> |
Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk> | |
Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au> | |
obligations@uwo.ca | |
Date: | 16/06/2022 07:33:00 UTC |
Subject: | RE: authority of dicta and contributory negligence/intentional torts |
There seems to me to be an increasing tendency to treat statements in the UKSC as a form of Holy Writ, even if they are clearly obiter, and even if they have not been made in the light of submissions
on the point in issue. I guess you could say that the lower courts are just treating these observations as guidance (and just happen to always follow that guidance….), but sometimes that seems to lead them to outcomes inconsistent with earlier Court of Appeal
authority, in which case the distinction between ratio and obiter has in effect broken down as far as the UKSC is concerned.
All best
Donal
From: Robert Stevens <robert.stevens@law.ox.ac.uk>
Sent: 16 June 2022 08:06
To: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>; Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>; obligations@uwo.ca
Subject: Re: authority of dicta and contributory negligence/intentional torts
If the intermediate court holds, as a necessary part of its decision, that it is bound by obiter dicta of the apex court, that is ratio and so binding. IF the rule is that decisions of that court are binding
on it.
So, Barton and Booth represents the law in England. For good or ill.
These statements in Farah and Hill v Zuda are just obiter dicta. It is a matter for the intermediate appellate courts to determine their own rules of precedent. Not the High Court.
And IF the High Court's obiter dicta is true, that the intermediate appellate courts are bound by decisions of each other, then the rules of precedent each determine are presumably also binding ratio on each other.
But what if those rules, absent this High Court obiter dicta, are that they are not so bound?
It takes a Denning to say "Very interesting [apex court] but my rules of precedent are necessarily a matter for me, not you."
It was no coincidence that in Farah the High Court said
1. Intermediate Appellate courts are bound by decisions of each other
AND
2. Intermediate Appellate Courts are bound by seriously considered obiter dicta by us
2 being necessary for 1 to have any effect.
But, for myself, I think there are very good reasons why obiter dicta, from whatever level of court, is not binding on anyone. I'm with Denning.
R
From: Matthew Hoyle <MHoyle@oeclaw.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 7:44:26 AM
To: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>;
obligations@uwo.ca <obligations@uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: authority of dicta and contributory negligence/intentional torts
Apologies - I accidentally hit send ore finishing the thought. The other principle mirrors a recent decision here (R v Barton and Booth) where the Court of Appeal Criminal Division held the Supreme Court could make binding “directions”
on the law even if those did not form ratio in the case (in this case, the retreat from the Ghosh test in Ivey v Genting Casinos).
Arguably, both are wrong as well as inter related. An adjudicative body, apex court or not, cannot simply “state” the law as divorced from the dispute before it. That is a legislative function. Anything that is not ratio cannot be binding
on lower courts, although obviously it carried weight. Second, and necessarily from the first proposition, a superior appellate court cannot instruct a court below that it is bound by decisions of coordinate jurisdiction. As Lord Denning famously pointed
out, such statement is necessarily obiter and need not be followed.
Matthew
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Subject: Re: authority of dicta and contributory negligence/intentional torts
Thanks Neil - the points in Hill v Zuda are interesting as in one sense they go further than the equivalent English debate (whether courts of coordinate jurisdiction can depart from ratio of prior decisions).
Matthew Hoyle
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From: Neil Foster <neil.foster@newcastle.edu.au>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 2:57:25 AM
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Subject: ODG: authority of dicta and contributory negligence/intentional torts
Dear Colleagues;
Two interesting cases I have noticed over the last few days. Both of most interest to Australian colleagues but the second is a general decision on the common law which I think may be of interest
to others.
25 Farah Constructions identified
two decision-making principles. The first is that an intermediate appellate court should not depart from seriously considered dicta of a majority of this Court[23].
The second is that neither an intermediate appellate court nor a trial judge should
depart from a decision of another intermediate appellate court on the interpretation of Commonwealth legislation, uniform national legislation or the common law of Australia unless convinced that the interpretation is plainly wrong[24] or,
to use a different expression, unless there is a compelling reason to do so[25].
26 Although both principles are directed to ensuring coherence in the law, the principles are distinct. The first concerns the relationship between an intermediate
appellate court and this Court. The second concerns the relationships between intermediate appellate courts and between intermediate appellate courts and trial judges. In that latter context,
intermediate appellate courts and trial judges are not bound to follow obiter dicta of other intermediate appellate courts, although they would ordinarily be expected to give great weight to them.
I think this is an important clarification. Seriously considered dicta of the High Court should be followed by everyone; such comments from State appellate courts are not
prima facie binding (in the sense they can only be departed from if “plainly wrong”) on other courts of other States, though their “decisions” are. Of course still leaves room for debate about what is a “decision” (what one could call the
ratio) and what are merely dicta.
contributory negligence does not operate as a defence to an intentional tort such as battery where, as in this case,
the injury is a direct consequence of that intentional tort.
N Adams J notes that the issue of “directness” may be a better category to use than some that have been previously suggested, and that CN may apply as a defence to “indirect” consequences of
battery (as in the previous NSW decision of State of New South Wales v Riley (2003)
57 NSWLR 496; [2003] NSWCA 208.)
The decision is also a NSW torts teacher’s delight- a reasonably bizarre set of facts, issues around self-defence under ss 52-53 CLA, illegality under s 54. But the contributory negligence
issue is a major point which has been uncertain for some time.
Regards
Neil
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